Temp THC burns, decarbs, and bonds?
Medicated. so bear with me.
So if i put a but in the oven at 225 for 30 mins. ill get superstoned? lmao
Medicated. so bear with me.
So if i put a but in the oven at 225 for 30 mins. ill get superstoned? lmao
I think those numbers regarding bonding to fat may be inaccurate. I’ve heard of it happening at much lower temperatures, as it is oil soluble. all heat does is speed up solubility and help melt the trichomb heads.
and decarboxylization happens at room temperature and up, the hotter you go the faster it happens..
what temperature THC degrades at would be a more interesting question. rather, does it degrade below or above vaporizing temp. if below, then you gotta be careful, if above, then you h ave nothing to worry about as long as you’re staying below the vaporizing temp.
bingo. the same reason some recipes dont call for decarbing before you add it to the recipe it will get decarbed later
don’t heat your weed in an oven at 225F for any amount of time. at 215F thc will combust in the presence of oxygen. This is slow but, when warming up a vaporizer, it is not a bad place to start.
decarboxylation does not require any specific heat to occur. heat is only catalytic in the process. When thc decarboxylates, that means it is released from the carbon molecules(marijuana flower) and bonds, typically, to free-floating oxygen molecules. In other words, decarboxylating will reduce the potency of your weed.
When vaporizing start at 180F until then your finally get a fat cloud upon exhaling. This may take up to 15 minutes. raise up to 400F at regular intervals. Be sure to wait for the smoke to build back up in the chamber before going back at it.
when cooking, the range you are looking for is between 186F and 215F. When using most oils (I use olive oil and I know that this is the case) raising the temperature above 215F will have a toxic affect on your oil. Irreversible denaturation occurs and even more so thc will start to release into the atmosphere.
so based on this, you are saying that when we bake cookies or brownies we r “burning” away most of the potency? how would you suggest altering cooking times to allow the lower temps? ie. cookies that should be cooked at 350 for 10-15 min. reduce temps to 250 and cook for a half hour maybe?
Thanks in advance..
The only way to boil THC at 315ºF would be in a very hard vacuum. I have distilled THC at 0.1mmHg, and it took 220-240ºC or north of 400ºF. Under that vacuum.
ten minutes at 110ºC will decarb THCA to THC. Smoking or vaping have high heat steps built in, and decarb proceeds. i would consider “decarbing weed for smoking boosts the high” to be an old wives’ tale. One old campaigner’s experience and opinion. cn
I hate to dredge up something from the depths but after scouring google for two days I decided this is the closest I can get to uncovering what duration is required to bind THC to fat molecules.
Maybe someone knows now, a few years later? LOL
I can respond on the baking brownies at 350F. Its not an issue if you used a high fat to extract your THC. The THC is protected in the fat during cooking; some may be released but then trapped in the other materials inside.
(If your paranoid put tin fol over the brownies and create an airtight lid to trap escaping molecules. Be sure to let it cool before removing.)
Second a few interesting facts around the above comments:
H20 boils at 212F
Coconut Oil burns (Smokes) at 280F (best oil to use)
THC boils off at 392F
at 222F decarboxylation becomes rapid
212F for several hours turn THC to CBN
decarboxylation is best when you titerate from 212F – 302
212F for 90min will strip the carboxyl of THC
Lecithin added to your oil makes the THC absorb in your system better/faster
chlorophyll and Terpenes are H20 soluble
That being said, i’m still very interested in what duration is required to bind THC to fat molecules.
Assuming you decarboxylase the meds in the oven below 392F. (Length of time not necessary for this exercise.)
You have now activated the THC without burning it off. Now to bind it to a fat, say coconut oil.
Coconut oil starts to smoke and will release THC at 280F; so idealistically we stay below that.
However we know that cooked meds at temperature of 212+ for several hours will turn THC to CBN. (Not ideal if we want the High)
At this point your flying blind without knowing what temperature THC binds to fat molecules.
Not satisfactory for someone who medicates to get from day to day.
Any nerds or chemists?
Here is my process, which took me a few years to get to the point where I felt it was “perfect”.
Blend the cannabis into a mixture with the same consistency as wheat germ, then spread it out in a thin layer on a strong plate or a baking pan, cook in oven at 225º for twenty minutes. Next, remove from heat, put in the freezer for twenty minutes. Next, mix with solution, which I recommend either extra virgin coconut oil or SUPER-clarified butter (super, super, super clarified), pop that in the oven (if you trust your oven) at 325º as this gives 25º budge before you hit the vaporization point. I personally will then cook for about eighteen hours when doing a large batch (about a quarter pound of flowers or more), or just an hour or two for small personal batches.
Say whatever you want, but this has worked optimally for commercial batches, and I have done a massive amount of sampling to reach these steps as my go-to method.
I used to have these memorized but I'm starting a new cooking project today, and can't remember the exact temperatures at which THC: 1) is vaporized 2)…
THC breakdown temp??
360F. Can someone in the know please clarify. I mean really which is it? I know my vaporizer reach about 220F+ and thats right where I get the “no smoke” hit. But if I turn it lower, I don’t get a very good hit. The reason I am asking is because I have heating element that will be placed in my bud dryer, but it reaches about 120F. It is taken from a Ronco Food Dehydrator.
if i was to use a bud dryer i would keep it a little higher than 60 no more than 70-75 TOPS. if that!
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I am going to be making honey oil extract. I have a batch that went herm. and I hate smoking herms. So I figures why not just extract the thc. In this instance I don’t really think the chlorophyll/taste will matter.
I just want to get the thc. If the heater/dryer is going to break down what little there is then I won’t do it. But if it will just remove the water, then that is my goal.
this is all i could find for you bro; hope it helps
TEMPERATURE THC OIL BOILS
At what temperature does THC oil boil? What temperature should I set my vaporizer at?
THC has a boiling point of 200°C (392°F). However before the THC boils, other parts of the oil evaporate and boil.
Here are some important temperatures: At 21°C (70°F) the most volatile terpenoids start to evaporate, lending a pungent odor to the air.
At 31°C (87°F) the less volatile terpenoids start to evaporate, lending the air even more pungent odors.
At 39°C (102°F ) vir tually all of the terpenoids undergo evaporation fairly rapidly.
At 50°C (122°F) THC-Acid decarboxylates as the water molecule held in the carbonate form evaporates. This activates the THC.
At 66°C (150°F) Cannabidiol (CBD) melts and starts to evaporate.
At 185°C (365°F) Cannibinol (CBN) boils.
At 200°C (392°F) THC boils. Clear vapor from a vaporizer.
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I’d say 31 degrees. A guy on another site made a dryer that runs at 28.5 which he reckoned was when THC starts to break down
The above sounds like 31 C to me is as high as you want to go. I’d keep it to 25 or so, same as growing. At 25 C when crystal is forming on the plants, it does not degrade. At 32 I KNOW IT DOES I’ve looked at plants and the balls on top of the trichomes were gone, I assume they had degraded back downwards. They regrew of course
Remember.. terpens contribute to the wide range of effects, as well as making it more enjoyable
As for storage. You should store buds in clean jars once fully dry, to cure it. Jars are best also for long term storage, so leave it in there. It just gets better and better, as long as you open it now and then.
Some strains are better than others it would seem. Blueberry is touted to have a very long shelf life.
i found this too very interresting .
first of all, bake your pot on a sheet of tin foil at 250-260deg until when you pinch a nug it breaks apart into dust (usualy 10-15 mins for somewhat fresh stuff)
this is the process of converting 80-90% of whatever inactive alkaloids are left into thc and thcv
sometimes it can double or even triple the potency of your bud if you try smoking it after this process. it will bake out most of the smell and flavor though, so if your picky about that and dont care more for the medical sedation, then maybe its not for you. i can make an ounce last much longer this way though. Quote:
What happens is, a lot of the THC in marijuana is initially in the form of THC-COOH, a carboxylic acid. When heat is applied, a decarboxylation reaction occurs, liberating the carboxyl group as carbon dioxide, with the extra hydrogen atom coming in to bond to the now positively charged carbon atom that was left behind.
Here’s my best guess at the actual mechanism:
i prefer to heat my weed right before i smoke it, with my lighter.
This seems like an interesting, but a little bit dated thread. Methods that maximize the potency of your bud are always welcome . So I did a little research, and threw in a few of my own questions.
Based on the list of temperatures that gogrow posted earlier in this thread, the first molecules that evaporate are terpenoids at 31 C , so what are terpenoids and how do they effect the high?
“There are numerous references in popular Cannabis literature which claim that Cannabis strains can smell like mango, melon, and even grapes. Well, it might not be their imagination. The odor of cannabis comes from over 120 terpenes (a.k.a. terpenoids fragrance molecules) that are made by the plant. Terpenes have some interesting effects on humans, including modulating the effects of THC (2) and decreasing memory loss. One terpene is unique to Cannabis (m-mentha-1,8(9)-dien-5-ol). All others occur in fruits, vegetables, and flowers.”
Basically they contribute to the smell and flavor of the bud, they say it helps to modulate the effects of THC i.e help make the THC effects more mellow.
By 39 C most of the terpenoids have evoporated.
At 50 C, THC gets released from it’s base, allowing it to flow with the air stream (hopefully toward your lungs). This is the step when THC is considered active, that is, it can bind with other molecules.
At 66 C, Cannabidiol starts to evaporate. What is cannabidiol you ask?
[C annabidiol] has displayed sedative effects in animal tests. Some research, however, indicates that CBD can increase alertness. It may decrease the rate of THC clearance from the body, perhaps by interfering with the metabolism of THC in the liver . Medically, it has been shown to relieve convulsion , inflammation , anxiety , and nausea , as well as inhibit cancer cell growth. [SUP]  [/SUP] Recent studies have shown cannabidiol to be as effective as atypical antipsychotics in treating schizophrenia . [SUP]  [/SUP] Studies have also shown that it may relieve symptoms of dystonia . Cannabidiol is shown to decrease activity of the limbic system [SUP]  [/SUP] and to decrease social isolation induced by THC . [SUP]  [/SUP] It’s also shown that Cannabidiol reduces anxiety in social anxiety disorder .”
I think this is a very important chemical that many of the synthetic marijuanas sold at head shops lack. They’re saying it helps contribute to controlling the paranoid thoughts and stay calmer, which is a generally an agreeable quality of weed.
At 185, Cannabidiol starts to boil (Basically means the same as the previous step, except it’s getting released much faster.
200, THC boils. This is a little confusing because he says it’s the same as the clear vapor from the vaporizer. But it might also means the point when parts of THC molecules break away, thus destroying it’s properties, not sure about this one, maybe he just worded it wrong.
My opinion: Based on all of the above, I would say that vaped weed is still the best way to get the most out of it. If you heat it up on a tinfoil like the other person suggested at 265 C, it would work in theory if the air inside the heating device is standing still, but in a stove the air behaves something like blobs in the lava lamp, rising when heated and falling when cooled at the top of the stove. Since at 265 C all the active ingredients of weed are floating around as vapor, even slightest air movements will carry them away from remaining ashes (and probably condensing on your stove).
With all of that said, I think that the proposed method just mimics the same thing that a vaporizer does, but using a regular pipe. So to get the best out if it do this:
— Create a small ball out of small piece of foil, put weed inside (the more broken up or grinded up the better)
— Secure the ball and use a lighter to heat it up making sure that you evenly apply the flame to the entire ball (this is somewhat important, because if the temperature isn’t equal on the ball’s surface then thc will condense on the foil!) Try not to move the ball at all to keep the air inside as still as possible.
— Allow the ball to cool for a few minutes ( still not touching it)
— Now open it up, put the ashes in the bong and smoke away.
The reason this whole process works is because when all the vapors are released, with no air movement they are still floating very close to the ash that was formed. When we let it cool, the vapors re condense on the ash itself (since the ash becomes cold and the vapor is hot). Now all you have to do is heat it up in a bong and most of the vapors will be released into the air again.
Ok, so I have been looking on here to get the temp at which THC starts to breakdown. I have seen people claim anything from 85F to ~360F. Can someone in…